Tuesday, 2 April 2013

Are Zambian Gospel Musicians Too Clean for Nightclubs?

Talking about religion and in my context Christianity is a sensitive topic which requires one to tread very carefully. The danger is that you may either rub people the right way or the wrong way. I intend to do neither in this blog. The issue under microscope is Gospel musicians and their interaction with what are known as “Secular” events. We have had Ephraim and Kings 'Malembe Malembe' refusing to have any part to do with the Mosi Awards because it is a brewery. Then recently there has been the talk of Mag44’s performance at Nigerian musician Ice Prince Concert. These two incidents have polarised opinions. This begs the question, what can and cannot a Gospel musician do?
 
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Ephraim and Kings had their reasons for not being part of the Zambian Music Awards aka Mosi Awards because they did not want to be associated with the brewery. They did not want their names attached to anything alcohol related. Ephraim went even further by asking the public not to vote for him for any of the awards. Other Gospel musicians nonetheless, went ahead and participated in the Mosi Awards and the winners accepted the awards. Both Ephraim and Kings’ decisions need to be respected and it was a personal decision. However, it appears that those Gospel musicians who attended are being crucified by some in the Christian community for what is being perceived as ungodly behaviour and mixing with the devil’s work.

The Mosi Awards also had their own drama with many considering the winner of the Gospel award winner Pompi as not being a Gospel musician. What is the definition of a Gospel musician? Does the name of Jesus or God have to be mentioned in every song, or does the song have to have Hallelujah and Amen for it to be considered Gospel music? Then perhaps it could be zeroing in down to preference. There are those who do not want Hip Hop to be affiliated to Gospel music and some also do not want the Rhumba style of singing either. People who have done this have been accused of compromising with the “world”.

Then recently, the incident that has been causing uproar in the Christian community is the performance of Gospel artist, Mag44 at Ice Prince Concert during the Easter weekend at LIV nightclub. Some people have condemned his performance there as being unchristian and doubting whether he really is a Gospel artist. He has even been rebuked publicly on Facebook by radio presenter and Gospel artist Jimmy Kumwenda.

Is Mag44 performing at the Ice Prince Concert being blown out of proportion? Are people considering whether he was entertaining or ministering? The flack that Mag44 is receiving is that he shared the stage with non-gospel artists and he performed at a nightclub where alcohol and all manner of immorality are perceived to take place. It appears that the Christian community is choosing to be selective on what it deems acceptable and “Christian”. Let us assume that Mag44 was ministering there and he actually led some people to Christ, would he be condemned for doing that? (I did offer Mag44 an opportunity on this blog to offer a statement but at the time of writing this none had been received)

Why would people consider a pastor going to preach to prostitutes on Addis Ababa road okay but a Gospel musician to go and sing in a nightclub wrong? Should we now be asking Gospel musicians to account for their motives and give a full length report each time they perform outside church? Perhaps this entire debate is being too subjective and people are not looking at the bigger picture? Or sorry to say this, maybe it could be a case of simple jealousy. One faction is quite adamant that Mag44 should not have dared to step foot at LIV nightclub and another faction is supporting his move claiming he was witnessing to lost souls. This is a debate that will go on for a long time.

I find it strange how some Christians nowadays choose to pick and select parts of Christianity that they will stand by and what they will not. People say that they will not listen to “secular” music, fair enough. But how are you going to watch a movie where there is adultery, fornication, cohabiting, swearing and actors who are non-Christians in it? In a way by watching such movies aren’t we supporting them? Take for example Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg is a known atheist and yet many Christians are on it. Aren’t we just being hypocrites by deciding to look at others with having bigger logs in their eyes and yet forget our own? All in all should we be worrying about what platform we choose to share the Gospel at or should our real concern be actually sharing the Gospel?

26 comments:

  1. Yes they suffer from selective amnesia. What if a drunkard is tuned in to radio Christian voice? Does that make the radio station all of a sudden evil? At this rate even travelling on a bus with non-christians will be evil. It is this type of irrational intolerance that breeds fanatics. I wonder which Christ some people follow as the Christ I know was a "peoples'" man, whether they be tax collectors, prostitutes and so forth. Please grow up!

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  2. The problem with Christians is how judgmental we are. So what if he performed at LIV? We should not forget that we have the responsibility to bring as many people as possible to the Lord. Mag44 could have been targeting the audience. So should we stop preaching in prisons because of the criminals there- Isn't that the whole point? I find it amazing how two faced we are at times. Mag44, I commend you.
    How many teens out there listen to hip-hop? The majority. Pompi, Mag44 and the crew choose to use this music that our youth are so addicted to as a means in which to draw them closer to God. What is wrong with that?

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  3. Nice piece Peter
    I feel gospel artists can and should perform anywhere they are likely to bring souls to the lord. I refuse to condemn anyone on the basis of who they share a platform with. My only worry is that what comes out is that the artists simply raise more controversy and end up bringing no soul to the lord. When we preach in bars, we have statistics of how many were converted. Mag44 and company, no hate from me, should equally tell us how many souls were saved then, and only then, will i believe it was for ministry. Otherwise its simply a gig like any other

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    1. Our responsibility is to avail ourselves to the Lord's service and preach the Gospel. The saving of souls belongs to God through the prompting of the Holy Spirit. If one is a gospel artist, then every gig is a ministry from which one gains income, be you Kirk Franklin, Fred Hammond, Twila Paris or Pompi.

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  4. I Disagree with that then its same as Saying its okay for 2go Clubbing on Saturdays & go 2 Church lyk everythn is Ok, they say a teacher must lead by example so 4 a non Believer its goin 2b right goin there every weekend,

    God states and declares, “Be holy in all your conduct...because it is written, 'be holy because I am holy'” (1 Peter 1:15-16) because, ‘without holiness, no man shall see the Lord’ (Hebrews 12:14) Bible teacher, Derek Prince said, “Anything that is not righteous is sinful” which is in accord with 1 John 5:17, 'All unrighteousness is sin...

    Matthew 12:30). 'What has light got to do with darkness?' (2 Corinthians 6:14). 'Or do you think that the Scripture say in vain, the Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously?' (James 4:5).

    To put it bluntly, nightclubs are part of the world which is controlled by Satan. They are designed for the purpose of giving oneself over to sinful desires. Nightclubs exist primarily for two purposes: drinking alcohol and meeting members of the opposite sex, most often with sexual activity in mind. Yes, there are music and dancing, but primarily singles in particular go clubbing to drink and meet someone. Nightclubs are of the world, and, while Christians are to be in the world, we are not to be of it. Being of the world means to be interested in and desiring those things that appeal to the sinful nature.

    Paul, speaking to Christians, addresses the issue of worldly practices in Ephesians 4:17-24, "So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more. You, however, did not come to know Christ that way. Surely you heard of him and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness." Here Paul describes those who exclude God and give themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness.

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  5. The thing with us Christians is that we are excellent marks-men when it comes to targeting and shooting down our own. We have been known to annihilate Christians who are ailing or falling...beating them further as they were down. An army that attacks its own soldiers.
    Most of what I draw inspiration from is how Jesus went about his ministry. He did not place any geographical boundaries as to where he ministered. When did we become Mag44's judges? Do we know the intent of his heart when he was accepting to go to LIV?
    Where does 1Samuel 16:7 "7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart" come in?
    My advice,being an upcoming Gospel recording artist,is to just do what God leads you to do...no matter how unorthodox it might seem to the rest. You hear God for yourself. Be careful not to discourage the young in the Lord though. Grace and peace Magnus.

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  6. i do agree with soft.there is a distiction between a child of God and a non beliver.its not true that you can go to a night club to minister its not every place you can win souls.soul winning has a stratagy and an atmosphere to win souls not all places are condusive

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    1. @Wellington Amen & thanx 4 That

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  7. Soft 2 Do you not buy stuff from Shoprite where alcohol and cigarettes and condoms are sold. Why single out nightclubs as belonging to the realm controlled by Satan when nearly everything you use for your existence today does not discriminate between "christian" and "unchristian"? you use a bus whose driver and conductors use profanity, you watch TV programmes whose themes are so called "worldly", you listen to Kirk Franklin, Bebe Winans, Cece and a countless other so called gospel musicians' songs even when they sing with so called non believers.

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  8. Jimny Kumwenda lists Fally Ipupa as his favourite...ironical.

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  9. i agree with soft, a christian gospel musician has two sides his spiritual life and his ministry i believe it is important to understand magg44 reasons for performing at the concert, sometimes Gospel artists want to make it big quickly and resort to sell their music and their image other than to preach and save souls. sometimes breaking through in the industry is not easy what if he gets into this lifestyle and loses his ministry as well as his spiritual uprightness. what does him being at that concert benefit his spirit what growth does he as a christian gain from being in such places. however am sure he would be in a better position to answer.as Christians we are to build and correct each other to not lose sight of Christ not to judge. even Christians can be used to deceive people.

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  10. Isaiah 5 v 11
    Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflames them!
    And the harp, and the lyre, the timbrel, and flute, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands.
    Therefore HELL has enlarged itself, and opened its mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that exults, shall descend into it.(end of scripture)

    Notice how the two don't go together? what gospel are u going to preach to the drunk whilst endorsing their festivities by the very fact of being there in their presence. what fellowship can light have with darkness? none at all!! the thing about God is he gave us the truth of his light and did not leave it up to us to implement anyhow. with all actions the underlying rule is purpose. when Jesus fellow-shipped with prostitutes etc, he at no point endorsed their waywardness but rather told them to sin no more. How do I tell a lost soul to sin no more whilst being in the very environment that festers their sinful nature. am I not encouraging them to continue clubbing even after repentance? ati don't u buy in shoprite where theres alcohol?? lol..in anything purpose must be the overriding factor. God has never needed a worldly platform from which to operate. By ones actions and not lip-service, one is either with him or against Him..choose wisely. and its sad how we like to hide behind don't judge me but the word encourages us to advise. besides the ones for whom theres no more condemnation are the ones that walk according to his Spirit and not fleshly directives. re-visit that scripture and read the whole passage. I pray that when I err, they'll be someone to correct me and not pat me on my back whilst I lose my way. The consequences of being in perpetual err are grave..hell enlarges its mouth!!!

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  11. I am not a bible scholar but the little knowledge i have tells me that Jesus himself hang out with the sinners. Why? Because he came to save the sinners. I'd call you a lukewarm Christian if you only do battle in your backyard and have never gone out on to the battlefield to win souls. And where is the battlefield? The streets, the night clubs, bars etc. So Magg44 did the right thing. He went out to save souls!

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  12. If it was for the lost souls he'd be performing at east point, zinc pub, northmead; this is where the masses are. How many people where at the LIV thing? I bet most were just dancing to the music and waiting for Ice Prince.. No guilt, no repentance. Even if I repented, I wouldn't change my evening's plans after coughing KR250! I bet there were handsome rewards for performing artists at LIV.. Anyway while sipping my Hunters dry I asked myself, WWJD.. Would he perform at LIV? Can darkness and light mix.. Hmm

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  13. So from what I am gathering,there is one group that says that it was okay for Mag44 to be perform at LIV where Ice Prince was. The other group saying it was totally wrong because Christians should not be found winning souls from the nightclub. Then another group is saying that Mag44 going to LIV was not in itself wrong but they are doubting his intentions because there are many places where he could be ministering to actually win souls.

    So are we now saying that there are places where souls can be won and where they cannot?

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  14. some musicians who sing gospel are not necessarily believers and have no intention of winning souls. they just sing because there is a market for gospel music, and they happen to have the talent to sing. Similarly they are those of us who buy and listen to gospel music not because we want to be saved or uplifted but because we just LOVE good music for its own sake

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  15. We are all sinners, period. Lets not pretend to be ‘holier than thou’ when behind closed doors, we get up to all sorts of things because the masses out there cant see us. Who are we kidding? Do we know where some of the offering or tithe in churches come from. Some of it is from prostitutes and drunkards and it ends up being used as salaries for our Pastors and in some cases even used for other church projects. How many Christians raise their voices that this money should not be used in Churches? For crying out loud, lets not judge the brother for it is not our place. If he sinned because of his decision, its only God who has the right to judge him and the only one who will forgive him. Those who think sinners are only drinkers and prostitutes are in denial of the real world out there.

    Have we not heard of men of the cloth divorcing, committing adultery, abusing young boys or picking up prostitutes just to satisfy their human desires? Lets be realistic. Bars or clubs are not the only places where sin exists. It is everywhere, even in our thoughts. Christ came to save the lost and not the so called ‘Christians’ in churches only. He surely didn’t find the sinners in churches only. If Mag44 saved one soul during his performance, that is better than judging him while not saving a single soul. Remember the thug who found salvation next to our Saviour at the cross? Anyone can be saved anytime and anywhere. Totally agree with Keith Hamusute. At the rate we Christians are going, we will end up walking long distances because the driver of a bus is considered a 'sinner' or the maker of the car we are driving has never entered a church in his life! Thou shall not judge.

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  16. Total rubbish, who told you sinners are only found at night clubs. Don't you know that we have more believers found in these places than we do at church gatherings. I can dare almost every Gospel artist if there's any who remembers to reach out to somebody when no one is watching. Starn has gone secular and he's happy about it. Do u know where it all started? LIV via Zone Fam. In short what am trying to say is, Mag44 went there purely to gain popularity. It's the love of money that drives people into such places. Tell me if he even won any soul there? I'll tell you, None. As for Pompi he's not a Gospel artist, he's just playing it safe. Let's not support blindly otherwise thy will be no one left to correct the other.

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  17. Interesting thoughts from all the comments. However, I dont think people are supporting blindly but merely pointing out things that go on in our society. The point is let us not judge. Its true sinners are found everywhere and sadly most Christians are the biggest pretenders. The truth might hurt and annoy us but that is the reality these days unless one has their head buried in sand like an ostrich. As for knowing if a soul was won over, only God knows. It would be unwise for us to conclude that none was won over so soon. Accepting the Lord to others takes time. If the love of money drives people into such places, then the lifestyle of some preachers should equally be analysed. Majority are now living in luxury lifestyles that has even annoyed some of their members while most of their flock live in poverty. Is this not for the love of money? The issue of offering and tithe by prostitutes and drunkards makes interesting reading. The money is always collected and a blind eye turned away even when we know the sister or brother offering loves clubbing or drinks like a fish but comes to church every Saturday or Sunday. We collect it because we are selective. We never care about its source as long as it meets the needs of the church. Lets not be selective when it suits the situation. We should try to support, encourage, guide and pray for those we feel are lost in every situation and not condemn. We are, after all, all sinners, as one has written.

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  18. Hi brothers n sisters.I understand how you all feel about this raised concern..well we should note that we are all sinners no wonder christ savior sacrified his life for us. THERE IS NO BIGGER OR SMALLER SIN! A SIN IS A SIN REGARDLESS OF WHERE AND HOW IT WAS COMMITTED, BY WHOM AND WHY! HALT POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS IN PUBLIC WHILE NO ONE POINTS AT YOU!! WE SHOULD CORRECT NOT JUDGE, NO MAN IS HOLLIER OR BETTER IN CHRIST THAN THE OTHER..**CONDEMING, POINTING fingers, DEBATING, ETC WON'T SOLVE A THING INSTEAD ITS RAISING OTHER ISSUES THAT MAY LEAD US TO SIN. THE SOLE SOLUTION IS PRAYER, IF YOU SEE A BROTHER OR SISTER GOING ASTRAY PRAY FOR THEM AND GOD WILL HEAR YOU.

    About tithes and offering coming from prostituted an drunkards is none of our issue. Anyone can give irrespective of the source, a pastor can not can not start asking people individually that what is your source of income! Besides the so called prostitutes and drunkards who go to church and excercise some of the ways of being a christian like paying tithe and giving offering are good because eventually they will turn to serve God sooner or later. Recall that God does not look at your appearance or name, he looks at your heart, He knows everyone of us better than we can ever imagine.

    Knowing jesus and accepting him are two distinct things( we first know him, accept him and the follow up. But the follow up stage is where we all face issues this. One), going to church does not make one a righteous individual because we find all sorts of people in churches.. ..
    LET'S SEEK SALVATION, HAVE AND BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND STOP! WAISTING OUR PRECIOUS TIME CONDEMING THE NEXT PERSON. Ask yourslf this: when I did_____who condemed me? ..focus on your relationship with the lord and before you know it you will be following jesus foot steps :)

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  19. i like the topic that has been addressed. i believe God's desire is to see all souls go to heaven. so whether the gospel has been preached in an unappropriated or appropriate place it doesn't matter to God as long as souls get saved. it is not that when the word is preached then there has to be an immediate effect,some souls get saved after analyzing what was said or sang later on after they've been awaken by reality. we can see this even in our very own personal lives: when you have a habit and have been rebuked about it you dont change just there and then it takes time, your problem might be lies or waking up late, its a process of change.
    so if we condemn these musicians it is as good as we should quit being Christians because the author and finisher of Christianity himself(JESUS) was with "non believers or sinners" such as zacheaus( he visited him at his house). this is what caused Jesus to be crucified and to be hated by the scribes, pharisees etc because he preached the gospel of Grace, that does not condemn but instead saves, he didn't look at sinners as animals but as people that needed him and would behold the Glory of God and that is why today we have great books such as Romans,Ephesians etc because one sinner called Saul was saved by Grace.the bible says work out your salvation with fear and trembling, its not our responsibility to tell them how to work out their salvation when we have ours to work out.
    in conclusion Gospel artists continue to do what the spirit of the Lord tells you to do because at the end of it all, its between you and him(the people will not answer for you for your disobedience, infact they'll criticize you all the more). each one has their destiny it is better to follow yours than others. prov 4:25, eccl7:21. Heaven NIPAWEKA

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  20. 2 Questions only. No.1 What was the essence of the concert? No.2 What was the essence of Magg 44's choice to sing at the said concert? The answer to these questions "may" make better the understanding as whether or not it was right

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